CClogic.com, Bethann Schuldiner, Mortgage Fraud, Scam

Bethann Schuldiner, Christopher Welty, $38,000,000 mortgage fraud, Dead Acid Rock Star named Death of Controlled Denied group, a retired Navy Fighter Pilot and cclogic.com a dodgey offshore banking and offshore credit card processing firm. Great story should be a book or movie.

Attn: Moderator please do not remove this post. Serious crimes are involved and it is important for Law Enforcement to be able to find this post on a search by name of persons and company affected. Thank you and the victims thank you.

Introduction – Everything we state will have factual backup with reputable links.

Once upon a time in the Orlando Florida area in 2007 there was a failing real estate broker named Bethann Schuldiner. Here is the link to her license on file with Florida which is now expired:

https://www.myfloridalicense.com/LicenseDetail.asp?SID=&id=DB16F92A5B243EA5F2FCADECB9F7EFA8

She decided that a career in mortgage fraud was more lucrative than doing open houses. She had a boyfriend name Christopher John Welty a retired Naval Aviator who flew jets off of aircraft carriers. Chris was last stationed in San Diego in the 1980′s and was discharged from the Navy on a Medical Discharge due to a rare blood disease. Chris then got a job flying jets as a pilot for US Airways and did that for several years. Apparently the blood disease got worse and he had to give that up but he did get a small pension from them and has the military pension. Then Chris gets into being a general contractor in Florida, see his license which is still active here:

https://www.myfloridalicense.com/LicenseDetail.asp?SID=&id=ACD7DC161D774030078E1781235D0E80

Chris was married to a woman from Canada living in Florida while he was dating Bethann Schuldiner. No comment.

The Mortgage Fraud – First off this mortgage fraud worked. Modern day John Dillingers. They ripped off the banks. Bethann brags about how it was only a civil case and no criminal charges were ever filed. The culprits probably made off with 3-6 million dollars. No one mysteriously every charged them with any crimes, or there are secret arrest warrants for them? We do not know. The lawsuit for this mortgage fraud filed by the Florida Attorney General can be found here and should be noted that the word felony is used in the lawsuit yet we can find no criminal charges:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:WWHiH8VHKSkJ:myfloridalegal.com/webfiles.nsf/WF/KGRG-7JLGDM/$file/AmericanMortgageComplaint.pdf+bethann+schuldiner+florida+mortgage+fraud&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk

The Orlando Sentinel Newspaper discussion of this deplorable fraud can be found here:

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2008-09-19/news/fraud19_1_mccollum-mortgage-money-straw-buyer

You can read some more reports of Bethann Schuldiner evil deeds here:

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/tallahassee-fl/T0BOGO6P8A62747IV

and here:

http://www.northcountrygazette.org/2008/09/18/florida_fraud-2/

One of the co-conspirators with Bethann hurt some people too:

http://realestaterecord.blogspot.com/2007/11/lori-polin.html

And the irony is this same guy is now selling Nigerian Oil, really, come on:

http://www.ecplaza.net/tradeleads/buyer/6272810/nigerian_crude_oil.html

As the above links explain along with the lawsuit is that this was not a group of real estate investors whose investments went bad. They forged tax returns, proof of income statements, documents, used straw man buyers etc to get loans from banks and never ever made a single payment. This was a full tilt fraud on the banks. Christopher Welty was not named in the original suit filed but his name is found on numerous foreclosure notices for the properties in used in the fraud. Again we do not know if there are secret warrants for their arrest. Both Bethann and Chris left the US (well Bethann may be hiding in the USA not sure) and are not locatable which makes us think that the Florida Attorney General or FBI may have secret arrest warrants on them hoping they would return and get locked up. They would be very interested in recovering these millions of dollars they absconded with.

Beth had a rock and roll cult hero brother named “Death”. There were some albums that were never produced. Control Denied was the name of the group and or album. Apparently Bethann Schuldiner’s brother tragically died of an illness in 2001. No foul play was suspected. Bethann and her brother were close. In 2007 Bethann tried to sell an unpublished album herself not telling the other band members about it, cheating the other members of the band out of their money from the album. She got caught when the record promoter contacted the surviving bank members. Typical Bethann. I am not a rock music groupie but you can read the whole story here:

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=64791

Bethan Schuldiner’s latest scam and fraud is www.cclogic.com. This is a company selling “offshore” credit card processing for people selling goods that normal credit card processors will not touch. They call this high risk processing. Draw your own conclusions. She also sells offshore corporations and bank accounts. She has people send her passport copies, driver license copies, utility bills, income statements etc. Can you imagine what sort of doom and gloom has been launched on the unsuspecting public by this person. Bethann is an accomplished forger and con artist. Why this company is a fraud and a scam can be ascertained from the information below:

www.cclogic.com has a forum. It is here:

http://www.cclogic.com/forum/content/

The cclogic.com website has no history on the internet prior to 2010, see archive.org

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://cclogic.com

Yet they maintain the posters on this phoney forum joined in early 2009, usually Jan.2009.
See for yourself by traveling around the false forum.
They are not there before 2010!
The posters are false made up by them to slander the name and reputation of their competition and those who they are cross with.
They have over 200,000 backlinks from forum spam posting and from spamming bulletin boards, see this in yahoo.com, link below:

http://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.com/search?p=http%3A%2F%2Fcclogic.com&bwm=i&bwmo=&bwmf=s

This is a search engine smart crook. They use this forum to attack their competition shamelessly with lies and allegations from made up screen names.
Prior to using this domain for the offshore sales they were selling dodgey items inconsistent with what they do now:

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1224678&highlight=cclogic

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1287652&highlight=cclogic

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1191982&highlight=cclogic

After just a few months of doing “business” there is already an official government warning about them from the British Virgin Islands Government:

http://www.bvifsc.vg/Default.aspx?tabid=213

CClogic.com says they are a authorized introducer for BVI banks inspite of the warning!! See what their website says:
Offshore Services : CCLOGIC Ltd is an authorized introducer for the major banks in Cyprus, Belize, Seychelles and British Virgin Island which means you can open a Offshore Bank Account through our services. Beside the formation of Offshore companies we also offer a wide range of legal and tax services through our business partners.
The link is here:

http://www.cclogic.com/about-us/CCLOGIC.COM.html

By the way Belize and Seychelles has no authorized introducers. Two lies in one paragraph.

They use virtual offices for addresses and just cannot be found. Finding her will be most difficult since she is living and hiding underground. We suspect she has a Panama passport in another name. Look at this from their website:
Visit our office and consultancies:
Appointment / Meetings can be arranged if an installment of EUR 1.500 has been made by the client, for more information about why we have been forced to this circumstances, please read our faq
Who in the world is going to sent them 1500 euros to see them? Duh.

CCLOGIC.Com slander attacks on their competition. They use their false forum to create internet posts negatively about their competitors and cross link these posts to other internet posts they make. They use numerous screen names. They are forum and bulletin board spammers as well. See their purchase of massive amount of links here:

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1452934&page=

also see this thread of their about forum spamming:

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1462230#post12264523

Victims list with slander links below.

Easycharge.net – the cclogic slander page is here:

http://www.cclogic.com/forum/f12/any-reviews-easycharge-net-1109/

Pharmacymerchantaccounts.com is the next victim.
Here is the cclogic slander page.

http://www.cclogic.com/forum/f11/pharmacymerchantaccounts-com-anyone-know-them-291/

Instabill is the next victim

http://www.cclogic.com/forum/f61/ecs-instabill-fraud-scam-artist-still-not-jail-8875/

Plimus is another victim, see link:

http://www.cclogic.com/forum/f9/plimus-scam-fraud-customers-1456/

The next victim is: http://www.totalmerchantservices.com/
Here is their slander page for this one:

http://www.cclogic.com/forum/f10/big-no-go-total-merchant-service-tms-they-huge-scam-2526/

The next one is templates.com.
Their slander page is here:

http://www.cclogic.com/forum/f61/warning-templates-com-huge-scam-8608/

www.Patrasys.com is another victim of their, also a competitor. Imagine that. Seems like all their competitors are scammers in their false forum.

http://www.cclogic.com/forum/f61/beware-scam-patrasys-scam-www-patrasys-com-fraud-273/

Then we have www.safepay.net another competitor victim of cclogic.com
The cclogic slander page is here:

http://www.cclogic.com/forum/f3/safepay-net-scam-aware-them-1113/

TALKGOLD.COM is one forum who they attack. Talkgold.com is a competitive forum and a dodgey forum. See it for yourself yet cclogic.com shamelessly trolls for clients in talkgold. This is a good place to start posting about them since they seem to get clients from talkgold. They use screen name fumla. Warning foul language used.
The link to their slander of talkgold.com is here:

http://www.cclogic.com/forum/f18/talkgold-com-most-fucked-up-forum-ever-705/

There are links exposing cclogic there too:

http://www.talkgold.com/forum/r267796-.html

Bethann also goes after a few law firms since they are competitors in that they sell corporations and credit card processing too. She hates lawyers and has even threatened to kill some and their families using hired assassins. Many times she has done this to numerous lawyers and their staff. She enjoys the sense of importance it gives her. She has stalked competitors and people she does not like. She threatens about using an army of lawyers she claims to have. See this quote about her and killing lawyers:
“I agree, the whole bullshit with ALL of the lawyers sucks. It is, however, a part of our culture that while out of control, is an evil necessity. When ANYONE enters into a contract, individual, corporation, band etc. there is always the chance of a dispute. Unfortunately, the courts are the only way to resolve a contract dispute. Shakespeare said it best: ‘First, kill all the lawyers.’ This quote comes from this page:

http://www.pulsorock.com/foro/showthread.php?p=2426771

Bethann and missing persons. Bethann got involved with a fellow who has a company named Offshore Privacy:

http://www.offshoreprivacy.org/

Now this person named Allen Scott apparently gone missing after Bethann started working with him. Some forum posts to this effect can be found here:
Hi, please, when did you last talk with Allen from offshoreprivacy? there are a NUMBER of people on this forum who would like to chat to him about his busy business. Ourselves and many others we now know of have parted with considerable sums of money and for a number of days now (for us 14 days) since we last heard a single thing, despite emails, skype, phone messages, forum messages etc, etc, is this the behavior of someone doing good business? it would be greatly appreciated to know when you last spoke to Allen and through what media so we can also try. All we want is to conclude our business and not be left out of pocket and in limbo, not to much to ask is it? we went with Allen as he seemed to have good practices through looking through this site, but, in the last 2 weeks this seems to have gone strangely wrong. In the nature of helping one another out it would be appreciated.

By the way, we know allen was using YOU GUYS AT CCLOGIC to aide us, and took a chunk of our money for you, but, when we try to call you to deal direct to sort out our in limbo mess you tell us to deal with Allen and he is a good guy and you have known him for 4 years, trouble is we cannot reach Allen, you won’t help us on the phone.

Thanks in advance

The page this came from is here:

http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?t=290540&page=2

Now cclogic (bethann) is the only one to be able to verify this guy is not missing? Sounds very suspicious to me. Did Bethann cross the line and step up to bigger crimes?
It gets better. Christopher John Welty her boy friend and co conspirator is missing too. It is rumored that he stole much of their fraud money from her and dumped her. Now there are two persons who got involved with her in dodgey things who are missing.
Note: She will probably find this post and create screen names for these tow people and say they are not missing by impersonating them. Bethann Schuldiner loves identity theft, it put millions in her pocket.

Bethann was located several months ago in Portugal. She has been in Mexico. She claims to be in the UK and Cyprus, but she of course is less than truthful. It is possible she is hiding in the USA. She uses proxy servers hiding behind VOIP phones, Anonymous Cell Phones with chips from other countries, Hushmail and Skype. She has been seen last year in Panama and Mexico.

Reward offered by a law firm found on the Internet. This is just a page we found on the internet:

http://www.cutinointernational.com/dangerous_criminals.php

It offers a $50,000 reward for locating Bethann Schuldiner. Wow this gal really knows how to make friends and influence people.

Attn: Law Enforcement. Here are some links where cclogic (Bethann Schuldiner) states they use these financial processors. There will be some ID documents on file possibly false, and bank information. Good place to start.

Law enforcement leads for Bethann Schuldiner and WWW. CCLOGIC.COM

They have an account with Moneybookers and LIberty reserve. They say so themselves:

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1744492

They use paypal:
Always PayPal, they work very well.

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1468995

This post was submitted by angry.

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